A Portland lawmaker introduced a bill that would allow cyclists to roll through intersections without stopping.
Should bicyclists be allowed to roll past stop signs?
58 Comments
Brian said:
Most cyclist don't stop at spot sign now. As a cyclist myself I believe we should. It really isn't that bad, just stop, then start riding again. People are lazy!
David Ris said:
This is a really GREAT idea... if you want to make cyclists easier to hit.
grant said:
I ride my bike practically everywhere, and i think that if cars have to stop, biker should have to stop. Unless you want a huge line at the hospital
Warren Bare said:
As right of way rules apply this law would get the bikes out of the way of vehicle traffic faster.Idaho has had this law for over 25 years. No measurable accident impact. Take Boise and plop it in Oregon and it would be the 2 largest city in Oregon.
M J Pittman said:
From my experience, it has always been safest to make an effort to come to a complete stop (visibly resting on one foot) at any intersection where there is a stop sign or red light and walk the bike across...unless the signals are in a very quiet, residential area and there is no oncoming traffic or almost negligible traffic and a very low speed limit. I used to 'drive' my bike in Houston traffic, and I've had a few close calls. I also wear very thick glasses and can't clearly see off to the sides. It's just better to not take too many chances. Propostion isn't a good idea.
Harold Olsen said:
A law like that is insane! What happens when a cyclist rolls through an intersection without stopping and hits someone, possibly killing them? I've seen it happen here in Seattle. Cyclists seem to believe that they own the streets and sidewalks and that if any pedestrians get in their way they have the right to run them over. Cyclists should have to obey the same rules and laws that vehicle drivers are supposed to be required to obey. If they run intersections, especially ones with stop signs or lights, which I have often seen happen, they should be ticketed. When they ride on sidewalks, particularly downtown, they should be required to slow down instead of tearing down the sidewalk at speeds that are dangerous to the pedestrians around them. If not, they should be ticketed for reckless endangerment. In downtown streets, if they exceed the speed limit they should get speeding tickets.
Charles said:
As a Seattle cyclist, I have plenty of experience riding with cars and I can understand this idea. Motorists don't seem to appreciate the conservation of momentum that cyclists must maintain while riding, and I think that allowing cyclists to cross empty intersections (the way most pedestrians do when it's clear, even though it's technically jaywalking) makes sense.
Cyclists should not be above the law, but the law should appreciate that cyclists are in a unique situation. If there is prior evidence of this type of law working successfully, such as Boise, then by all means implement a rational law that encourages non-car transportation.
Christopher said:
I think it’s reasonable. As a bicycle commuter I’ll admit that I blatantly run two out of three stop signs & red lights I encounter. Since the first half of my commute is long before sunrise and there is rarely any traffic I will blow stop signs in which I have clear visibility to my left & right so long as there is no traffic. Doing otherwise actually puts me at greater risk because I spend more time in the intersection as I have to accelerate from a stop rather than from about half my normal cruising speed.
Another situation in which I roll through is a 4 way stop in which there is at least 1 car at each corner waiting. In this case I get in line and occupy a lane, making the car behind me treat me as another vehicle. When it comes my turn I make eye contact with both opposing drivers and roll through the stop sign without stopping. This greatly reduces my time occupying the intersection and reduces the chance of someone getting impatient while I take the time to stop & put my foot down, then pick up my foot and start pedaling again and jumping in the intersection and making me stop, swerve or get hit.
In the end this law, like all traffic safety laws will be decided by the Insurance lobby and their perceived bottom line. There are lots of reasonable commuters like myself who despite a powerful sense of self preservation wantonly disregard the law without increasing risk to themselves. The law, however, is and will likely always be written to the lowest common denominator; The maniac who flies through intersections & tears along sidewalks. Meantime, as with gun control, the only people the law affects are those who are willing to obey it in the first place. The law of natural consequences take care o the rest, just as it should.
Carol said:
We all agree on the consensus that bicyclists
are using the road and should obey the rules of the road. The state house is taking up the idea
of requiring cyclists to register their cycles,
they should also add an addendum to require
cycle insurance as cars are mandated to have
auto insurance so that if there is a suit filed parties are all protected if there is a cycle/auto
accident.
Tracy said:
I can't belive anyone would ever think this is a good idea. It's truely, STUPID!!!
What's the point of the "STOP" sign? The word "Stop" means just that! You need to stop and look to make sure it's safe to cross the Street/intersections. It's your responsibility!!!
If a cyclist rolls through a sign and a motorist hits them, guess who's fault they would say it was...the Motorist. This is a STUPID IDEA!!!
Should I tell my 5 year old son when he rides his bike that the "STOP" sign means... that he rolls through the sign even if a car is there. I think NOT!!! That's an accident waiting to happen!!!
Why should the cyclist get Special treatment? If you (the cyclist) are going to ride your bikes on the roads with the cars, you need to abide by the same laws as the rest of us! I don't like following a cyclist up the hills, they should abide by the delay of 5 vehicals!
Lan Emerson said:
I think this is the most ridiculous idea I've heard since allowing hand on cell phone use while driving. Just who would be liable if I killed or crippled other than the cyclist who went through a stop sign, me? I think the State should be liable for allowing such a stupid law!
me said:
Yes, and I think that cars, trucks, and buses should be allowed to blow though stop signs and lights whenever they want to as well. And since cyclists don't pay insurance, no one else should, either! Why should I pay hospitalization for some idiot cyclist that is too lazy to stop when every one else has to?
jim said:
If cars were allowed to roll thru stop signs when 'safe', think of the gas saved by not having to accelerate from a dead stop.
Carey said:
At the same time we are saving bicyclists energy, how about we save some fossil fuels, and re-evaluate all stop signs, and consider changing them to yield signs. While we are at it, how about letting cars proceed from a stop light if there is no traffic coming. I'll bet we could cut fuel consumption by ten percent or more.
Christopher said:
Bicyclists are not motorists. Every bike commuter has a very acute awareness of their vulnerability on the road. They're not texting with one hand, drinking coffee with the other, an d steering with their knees. The hysterical responses to this proposal are unfounded. If this has been working in Boise or 25 years why is Portland so different?
Andy Fullenwider said:
At first, I thought this was a horrible idea. Allowing cyclists to roll through stop signs allows foe less control of an intersection. Less control will lead to more accidents, so, bad idea. Then I realized that the key to this is the caveat that cyclists could roll through a stop sign IF the intersection is clear. This will place the responsibility of safe travel squarely upon the cyclists. It seems that if this bill becomes law it will imply that if a cyclist is struck anywhere in an intersection the cyclist will be entirely at fault. In a city where there are many "bad apple" aggressive cyclists who attempt to dominate roadways and intimidate drivers I think this might actually be a great idea.
C said:
Next they are going to blame motorists for causing more accidents. If they think a stop sign is overkill .. make it a yield sign.
Christopher ... in Europe many teenagers can start drinking at the age of 16 .. it doesn't cause much problems there .. why don't we allow it here either? Many bicyclists thinks they rule and own the road .. I have no problem with them as I use the bike myself quite often too .. but your stereotyping shows lack of intelligence here.
A STOP SIGN IS A STOP SIGN .. else turn it into a yield for everyone. You create more confusion everywhere if you create exceptions.
cyrixlord said:
Lol...
Look, I'm a bicyclist, i'm on the road, so i'm following road rules! No, i'm a pedestrian now cuz I'm crossing the intersection crosswalk so you have to yield my right of way now! No, now i'm a bicyclist again cuz I just hopped back onto the road so now i'm obeying road rules again!
Oops, now I'm a pedestrian again because now I'm riding on the sidewalk again so i dont have to stop! Ooh, look I'm a bicyclist again so i can ride on the bike path side by side with my buddies! oops i need to cross the road, instead of using the left lane, i'll just be a pedestrian again and hop back onto the sidewalk and ride the pedestrian crossing without stopping like those cars do!
I guess thats why they call them Bi-cylists. they're both pedestrians and cyclists.
Christopher said:
C...
I think the use of Boise's bicycle laws are a better comparison for Oregon's bicycle laws than Europes drinking laws, however much sense they make.
As for my unintelligent stereotyping of motorists I apologize, i was just trying to illustrate that bicyclists, by virtue of necessity, typically have far better situational awareness.
As for a STOP SIGN BEING A STOP SIGN, I just don't see this creating any confusion. The law changes nothing other than not requiring bicyclists to put their foot down. The right of way laws remain just as they were before.
Brad said:
I, too, am an avid cyclist and believe a law allowing this is akin so a death wish. At what point would a car have to yield to the bicyclist? When they're 20' away? 50'? 100'? Perhaps we should also allow cars to just roll through stop signs, lights, etc., to preserve fuel? Come on people, its simple to come to a stop and then start again, who are we trying to fool saying this is needed? When I ride, I obey traffic laws...
I know this will inflame the bicyclists who feel they are above the law..fire away!
Kathryn Stewart said:
I'm pretty sure that bicyclists required to abide by the same rules as any motor vehicle, (except the fact that you don't NEED to wear a helmet in your vehicle) ha ha. I think many people could agree that it is just as much an inconvenience to stop at an intersection for vehicles as it is for bicycles. I remember when my mom tried to have a law passed allowing skaters to skate on the street; regardless if you are skating or bicycling I think either done along the side of vehicles is dangerous. So, why remove laws that were put in place to privilege bicyclists as well as protect them?
Kathryn said:
I'm pretty sure that bicyclists required to abide by the same rules as any motor vehicle, (except the fact that you don't NEED to wear a helmet in your vehicle) ha ha. I think many people could agree that it is just as much an inconvenience to stop at an intersection for vehicles as it is for bicycles. I remember when my mom tried to have a law passed allowing skaters to skate on the street; regardless if you are skating or bicycling I think either done along the side of vehicles is dangerous. So, why remove laws that were put in place to privilege bicyclists as well as protect them?
Donna Roddy said:
Cyclists should not be able to roll through stop lights or signs. Only an elitist think that they are above the law. If cyclists would pool their funds and provide their own roads and paths then they could make their own rules. Everyone would be safer. It's unsafe to mix bicycles with cars and trucks to begin with.
Christopher said:
Brad, read the proposal.
Stuart said:
OH HELL NO. Bikes should have to stop at all lights and obey all traffic laws as do motor vehicals. Bikes should have to be licensed and registered and display a license plate on the front and back of there bikes. Bike riders should have to take a saftey class on the rules of the road and learn hands signals.
Don in Sequim, WA said:
I work in public safety, and I see many bicyclists run stop signs on a regular basis. I rarely respond to car bicyclist collisions, so I think most on bikes would use reasonable caution like they do right now, so it's a good idea.
Dave said:
Unbelievable!
I rode bikes for decades until a health issue forced me to stop.
The current crop of bicylcists can only be described as anarchists.
Stop signs?
Run them!
Stay as far to the right as possible?
Oh, no, ride in the middle of the lane!
Don't want to wait for a red light?
Become a pedestrian, and zip through a crosswalk (even with "don't walk" signal and cars turning), and when YOU cut in front of a car, flip them off!
Brilliant idea!
Run into one of these stop-sign-running retards and some ambulance-chaser will make your life miserable!
Derreck said:
I think that bike riders need to stop at lights. Bike riders should have to have a head light and a tail light. Bike riders should be held to all the rules of the road as others that use them. Bike riders should be made visible to camera's at the intersections as all others.Bike riders need to stay in there own lanes that were made for them and stay out of the way of automobiles. I have seen too many bike riders riding with no hands, come dashing out between parked cars and riding inbetween cars at lights. Like in down town Seattle you see bike carriers dashing out in all lanes,running lights and jumping on and off curbs. Bike riders need to have a license plate so that they can be turned in for riding illeaglly.
Jim Nasium said:
With all the new bike paths and trails bike riders need to take some kind of consideration that they dont own the road as they think they do. The law makers in Seattle have given bike riders to much leway and rights on the road. Riders should realize that people in cars are now talking on the phone and texting while driving as along with other distracttions. All its going to take is to have a eager bike rider that wants to beat the light and traffic and a driver who's talking on the phone and the out come will be very damaging for the bike rider, if not fatal.There are now bike paths in the road way and bike riders should stay in them and know what road to ride on and use common sense.
Sarah Fross said:
This is a terrible idea. If I'm too cautious to put my air-bag filled, steel-reinforced vehicle through a stop sign while stopping, why do many bicyclists who have no protection but a foam helmet think that it's alright to run through a stop sign or intersection?
I can't tell you how many times I've had to slam on the breaks to avoid killing a distracted bicyclist who completely ignores the rules of the road.
I understand that the bicyclists like to keep up momentum, but why does their convenience take priority over everyone else's safety?
Keep the law, and crack down on the bicyclists who continue to place themselves and everyone else in danger.
You're using a road created for motorists. If you can't follow the same rules they do, you'd better start taking the bus.
Tom the Cyclist said:
I ride a bike and disagree to allow bikes to roll thru stop signs. I want to live and have a happy life. I know that all it would take is to have a motorist hit me cause i wanna ride thru. I ride into down town every day and see bikers riding out of control and pushing there luck. I have even seen riders run lights in front of the police and nothing has been done. Just let a car run a red light and the police will be all over them like a wet rag. We as bike riders have to take some reasponsibility for our actions. The majority of riders out there on the road dont obey laws and should need to be fined and given a ticket.
Christopher said:
Tom
What does your anecdote have to do with cyclists having to put their foot down or not?
I agree, lots of cyclists ride dangerously. It doesn't have anything to do with this proposal though.
C said:
Christhoper .. what is going to happen is that they will no longer stop for stop signs .. probably decide that they no longer need to slow down. I can see your point, but just think that for the sake of safety for all of us .. a stop sign is a stop sign .. regardless the transportation you use.
I don't always buy the idea that 'it works here so it works everywhere'
Charles said:
Jim Nasium-"There are now bike paths in the road way and bike riders should stay in them"
Bike paths can be very dangerous places for cyclists to ride, like 2nd Ave in Seattle, where it's safer to ride in the center of one of the main lanes than the bike lane because of people turning to/from one-way cross-streets. And if you're riding downhill, you can easy keep pace with the flow of traffic. Until you're on two wheels you don't really appreciate the situation of the cyclist in traffic.
Jim Ehnborn said:
Yes during a bike race when the intersections are blocked.
NO the rest of the time. I have been bike riding for the past 60 years including several years of bike racing.
We are sharing the road with other vehicles. We all must abide by the same rules. Keep life simple. Grow up and learn to abide by safe rules for your protection.
Starting and stopping is good exercise.
This law is probably proposed by the same people that want to be able to talk on the cell phone while driving.
Let’s spend our time solving the budget crisis instead of wasting our time on this trivial issue.
John said:
If its safe for bicycles to slow down and look, then its safe for motorists to! They should follow the rules of the road as drivers do and get tickets for the same offences we do!
Sherry said:
Laws have to be made because people lack common sense. It is stupid to require a bike to stop at a completely empty intersection at 5 am. It is stupid to blow through an intersection without slowing down and looking during rush hour; stopping as necessity requires in order to avoid death or injury. Maybe they should require all people with an IQ below 140 to walk and not be allowed to drive any kind of vehicle at all from tricycles through motorized ones. I see people all the time believe that the largest vehicle has the greatest right of way. Hence, trucks can do as they please around cars, cars can do as they please around bikes. You just crush anyone smaller in your path. Most places have NO bike paths. Without the same rights as motorists, you have no right to tax bikes or require licenses of them. If you have no common sense, you won't live long on a bike.
Karen said:
This is a bad idea. I really think the police should spend more time giving tickets to cyclists who I see ignoring the rules of the road - its hard to know what to expect when you are driving wiht a cyclists nearby. I hate to think how we will define 'slow down' and who is going to be at fault when there is an accident.
The timing of this when our streets are getting more crowded is very bad.
chuck said:
Oh good, more roadkill. Maybe they'll kill each other off when they collide at an intersection.
They are already too unpredictable. Just take a drive through NW Portland. They are all over the place.
What makes a bicyclists more able to see at an intersection than a vehicle?
A little common sense, please!
bjeffery said:
I think the new law will be just great as most bikes dont stop now.
I just want it known that if I happen to clip one of the non-stop bikers there should be a law that make it ok if I dont stop to help scrape their remains off the road
Roger Prescott said:
It's time to put a stop to cyclists (and I am one myself) thinking that they're above the law. Too many times I have seen the frustration that cyclists can cause law abiding motorists, giving us all a bad name. THE OBJECT of riding a bicycle is fitness. This idea is dangerous, stupid and will benefit only lazy cyclists. I truly believe that bicycles should be licensed, as well as the riders and should require insurance for ALL Cyclists of ALL ages. Many of my fellow cyclists already believe that they're immune to the law. They should be required to take a class (much like drivers ed) AND they should be ticketed for disobeying the laws of the road, just like the others who share the roads and sidewalks, drivers and pedestrians, alike. Revenues raised from this should be applied to maintaining the roads cyclists use, the bike trails and etc. They need to pay their way, too! We are talking about "Equality Under The Law" here!
Eden said:
If you want more cyclist's killed and injured, sure let them blow the stop sign. How on earth are cars and other vehicles supposed to stop in time for a fragile little bicycle whizzing through intersections without a care in the world?!?!?! this is just dumb.
Adrian / Pierce Co. said:
Another great Oregonian idear, I can see the painful days of roadrash - almost reminiscent of those cancerous skin lesions on sea lions in Oregon river water...
Phil in West Seattle said:
Doesn't impact me directly in West Seattle, but I do have an opinion as a frequent bicycle rider. I have to concur with comments by other bikers: it would be hypocrisy to say we can do a rolling stop but cars cannot. Yes it's annoying at times, but intersections can be changed. Besides, the tendency is not to ticket rolling stops for cars, so similar enforcement on bikes makes sense. Flagrant traffic violations of traffic laws by bikers or cars (i.e. running red light, blowing through a stop sign) should be ticketed aggressively.
kirk in milwaukie said:
This idea is Stupid. It would only legalize a dangerous behavior by some cyclists. I do ride a bicycle occasionally with my teenage children, as well as riding a motorcycle, and driving a car. So I have current experience with all types of transportation devices that must share the road.
I taught my children how to safely ride a bicycle in traffic, obeying all traffic laws related to bicycles. They always wear helmets, ride with traffic, and stop at stop signs. They also walk their bicycles thru cross walks ( not riding them ), they also don’t ride on sidewalks.
There are bicycle lanes on several of the main roads in my neighborhood. Frequently while out either in the evening, or early morning hours while it is dark, I have observed cyclists riding without lights or reflectors, riding against traffic, and ride thru intersections without even slowing down, even while there are vehicles waiting to proceed thru the intersection. Twice while riding my motorcycle, as I was making a left had turn into traffic, I have been struck by bicycles riding against traffic in a bicycle lane. They were riding in after dark, without lights or reflectors, and wearing dark clothing.
I think that legalizing a dangerous behavior, will only encourage them to engage in other dangerous, presently illegal behaviors while riding a bicycle. While I was learning to ride a motorcycle, they taught us to be aware of our surroundings, make ourselves visible, and behave as though no one sees us. A large number of cyclists behave as if they don’t care if they are seen, other vehicles have to look out for them, and try and anticipate what they might or might not do.
Most motorists when faced with a collision with a bicycle would swerve, possibly causing an accident with another vehicle; all the while the cyclist rides off without stopping. I have already made a conscience decision that, whether driving a car, or riding my motorcycle, if faced with a collision with a bicycle that I cannot avoid, without hitting a larger vehicle, I will chose to hit the cyclist.
erv said:
well as a trial maybe we could try duct taping child molesters to bikes and shove em out into busy intersections and see what happens.
Gypsie said:
This would be ASKING for trouble!!! Would be dangerous and wrong on all levels! Let's think of the children out there on their bikes. Would you, as parents, like to receive that phone call?
BAD ASS FORD 4x4 said:
I drive thru downtown Seattle every day to work and i must say those cyclist that wear their little ROAD RACING COSTUMES weave in and out of all lanes with any awareness that there are other BIGGER vehicals that use therse tightly congested roads. I drive a 4x4 that is lifted with 44 inch swampers and had to so many times get all over the brakes cause a wanna be TOUR DE FRANCE RIDERS or one of those BIKE CARRIERS comes darting out in between cars or riding like there racing each other with NO HAND SIGNALS or BLOW THE STOP LIGHT. Its like being camping and swating horse fly's. These LAW MAKERS as one can tell with there big fat belly's, necks as big as a side of BEEF that havent rode a bike in 20 years and sit behind there desk pushing there pen's and pencil's and drive there import cars should be ashamed of themself's. The majority of vehical's that you see on the streets of DOWNTOWN SEATTLE are IMPORTS and BIKES.This is what's wrong with AMERICA too many people driving IMPORT CARS and BIKES turning there heads at AMERICAN MADE PRODUCTS.Every time i see one of those little cracker box, gas sippers or those new SMART CARS I make sure that the driver of that STREET LEGAL GO-CART makes EYE CONTACT WITH ME AND I LAUGH MY ASS OF SHAKING MY HEAD.BE A TRUE AMERICAN AND BUY AMERICAN DRIVE AMERICAN.Im sure im going to get alot of negaitive reply's but all i can say is to YOU " BITE ME BIAITCH ". One BAD ASS FORD 4x4 thats MADE IN AMERICA.
TaylorB1 said:
Crazy...maybe said lawmaker should propose another bill outlawing bicycle lights and helmets, and make it mandatory to wear black clothes while riding at night. I say this since that already seems to be the case here in Seattle.
Jim said:
It should be interesting at a 4-way stop when a car does the same thing from the side.
alicynx said:
Please people, stop with all the panic and 'doom and gloom'. This rule simply keeps cyclists from the unwanted prospect of a $200+ ticket if they do go through a stop sign without completely stopping. We do it all the time and guess what? We're not dropping like flies.
Cyclists have to deal with momentum and kinetic energy, especially getting up hills and on long trips. I personally ride 9 miles one way to get to work - that's a lot of pedaling! I don't stop at every stop sign, because I would never get to work if I had to put my foot down at each intersection with a stop. Even the cars I encounter don't stop fully - ever heard of a 'California stop'?
Cyclists DO observe the rules of the road, even if the road oftentimes is not designed to accomodate them at all. Remember that just because the road exists, doesn't mean that its cyclist friendly. Imagine if nearly every street for you was as convoluted and difficult to maneuver as the bus mall downtown? Drivers need to either make a place for bikes or stop bitching about bikes being in the way, period.
Folks need to stop acting like this is going to topple society - get a hobby, seriously! It has been thoroughly tested in a similar-sized market, and proven to be a sound decision. Deal.
Bad Ass Ford - you obviously do not live in Portland. This rule does not apply to Seattle, so if you're not in Portland or even in Oregon, please refrain from the 'meathead' comments. It doesn't pertain to you, so leave it alone.
Richard said:
Cyclists (myself included) have for too long followed traffic rules only convenient to them. You often see them riding side by side on shoulder of a skinny road, or shooting from the road to the side walk to cross with the walk sign instead of waiting for the light. I wish the police department would start ticketing bikers the same way they ticket drivers.
CRY BABY BIKE RIDERS said:
BOO WHOO you cry baby bike riders. Just cause you ride a bike and think your doing the community a great deal by not driving your import car and wearing your little tight fitting jazzercize out fit gives you the excuse well if i stop then i have to build up my momentum and it will take me awhile to get going again, SO WHAT. I see bike riders all the time riding on the sidewalk and dart out in traffic against the dont walk sign to catch the green light. All its going to take is a bike rider to get hit and realize that they dont own the road. It doesnt make sense that the state builds miles and miles of bike paths so that bike riders get there punk ass out of the way of automobiles. Why should my tax dollars go for bike paths? The state should pass the cost to the purchase price of the bike. For example driving down to golden gardens from ballard, theres a bike path in front of the ballard locks on the other side of the sidewalk and a bike path in the street yet the majority of bikes ride in the street holding up traffic. The solution is really easy,like previous comments have been made, 1.Make bikes have to be licensed and registered. 2. Bikes should have to display a license plate on the front and back of there bikes so that they can be turned in for riding illegally. 3. Makes the fines count as a moving violation on your driving record. 4. Make bike riders pay a federal excise tax for road and bike path improvements. 5. Make bike riders wear a helmet and if caught riding with out a helmet the fine should be the same as a motorcyclist not wearing a helment along with eye protection. 6. Make bike riders go thru a course on basic hand signals and rules of the road. Im sure theres going to be alot of BOO WHOO CRY BABY BIKE RIDERS REPLYING AND WHINNING. And giving a lame excuse why they should be allowed to ride thru a stop sign. SO LETS HEAR'EM.
night_owl said:
I don't understand why this is even being considered. Since when do cyclists have the right to blow by stop signs whenever they feel like it, yet motor vehicles don't? Why should cyclists get special treatment about not having to stop? The whole point is to enforce the right of way, and/or to make sure it's safe to go. If it's not, the one with the stop sign has to wait.
Let's use the same logic they are using here: If it's clear, why can't I a motor vehicle blow thru a stop sign if it's clear? Why do I have to stop, but a cyclist doesn't? This is the kind of stupid logic (or lack thereof) which causes all kinds of confusion. And what are we teaching our kids??
Let's be consistent for everyone's sake. Let's not start giving different laws to different kinds of vehicles on the road. We should all be obeying the same traffic laws. Otherwise ... what's the point ?? We end up with chaos and doing whatever we feel like, and getting people injured or killed. That's just plain stupid .....
vagabond said:
If this idea become the law of the liberal Oregon, just remember to make sure the bicycle hits your vehicle behind the front wheel. That way you get a some body work, new paint and maybe a new windshield. The only problem is the bicycle riders have no liability insurance.
toolatesmart said:
Very good idea!! Front wheels of bicycles are less than a meter ahead of the rider's eyes. Front bumpers of cars are two or three meters ahead of the driver's eyes with blind spots from the windshield pillars. Cars, motorcycles and pedestrians accelerate faster from a dead stop so give cyclists this small break.
John said:
toolatesmart: That is some dumb reasoning. The front end of my 34'motorhome is less than a meter in front of my eyes. Do I get to roll through intersections without stopping? Cars, motorcycles and pedestrians accelerate faster from a dead stop, so give motorhomes this small break.
Ben said:
The state legislature must take up the issue
of requiring cyclists to have "Extended Cycle
Insurance" added to their auto insurance policies.
If they carry no auto then mandate a special
policy, as motorcycles need, to cover them
in case of an accident.
Most cyclist don't stop at spot sign now. As a cyclist myself I believe we should. It really isn't that bad, just stop, then start riding again. People are lazy!
This is a really GREAT idea... if you want to make cyclists easier to hit.
I ride my bike practically everywhere, and i think that if cars have to stop, biker should have to stop. Unless you want a huge line at the hospital
As right of way rules apply this law would get the bikes out of the way of vehicle traffic faster.Idaho has had this law for over 25 years. No measurable accident impact. Take Boise and plop it in Oregon and it would be the 2 largest city in Oregon.
From my experience, it has always been safest to make an effort to come to a complete stop (visibly resting on one foot) at any intersection where there is a stop sign or red light and walk the bike across...unless the signals are in a very quiet, residential area and there is no oncoming traffic or almost negligible traffic and a very low speed limit. I used to 'drive' my bike in Houston traffic, and I've had a few close calls. I also wear very thick glasses and can't clearly see off to the sides. It's just better to not take too many chances. Propostion isn't a good idea.
A law like that is insane! What happens when a cyclist rolls through an intersection without stopping and hits someone, possibly killing them? I've seen it happen here in Seattle. Cyclists seem to believe that they own the streets and sidewalks and that if any pedestrians get in their way they have the right to run them over. Cyclists should have to obey the same rules and laws that vehicle drivers are supposed to be required to obey. If they run intersections, especially ones with stop signs or lights, which I have often seen happen, they should be ticketed. When they ride on sidewalks, particularly downtown, they should be required to slow down instead of tearing down the sidewalk at speeds that are dangerous to the pedestrians around them. If not, they should be ticketed for reckless endangerment. In downtown streets, if they exceed the speed limit they should get speeding tickets.
As a Seattle cyclist, I have plenty of experience riding with cars and I can understand this idea. Motorists don't seem to appreciate the conservation of momentum that cyclists must maintain while riding, and I think that allowing cyclists to cross empty intersections (the way most pedestrians do when it's clear, even though it's technically jaywalking) makes sense.
Cyclists should not be above the law, but the law should appreciate that cyclists are in a unique situation. If there is prior evidence of this type of law working successfully, such as Boise, then by all means implement a rational law that encourages non-car transportation.
I think it’s reasonable. As a bicycle commuter I’ll admit that I blatantly run two out of three stop signs & red lights I encounter. Since the first half of my commute is long before sunrise and there is rarely any traffic I will blow stop signs in which I have clear visibility to my left & right so long as there is no traffic. Doing otherwise actually puts me at greater risk because I spend more time in the intersection as I have to accelerate from a stop rather than from about half my normal cruising speed.
Another situation in which I roll through is a 4 way stop in which there is at least 1 car at each corner waiting. In this case I get in line and occupy a lane, making the car behind me treat me as another vehicle. When it comes my turn I make eye contact with both opposing drivers and roll through the stop sign without stopping. This greatly reduces my time occupying the intersection and reduces the chance of someone getting impatient while I take the time to stop & put my foot down, then pick up my foot and start pedaling again and jumping in the intersection and making me stop, swerve or get hit.
In the end this law, like all traffic safety laws will be decided by the Insurance lobby and their perceived bottom line. There are lots of reasonable commuters like myself who despite a powerful sense of self preservation wantonly disregard the law without increasing risk to themselves. The law, however, is and will likely always be written to the lowest common denominator; The maniac who flies through intersections & tears along sidewalks. Meantime, as with gun control, the only people the law affects are those who are willing to obey it in the first place. The law of natural consequences take care o the rest, just as it should.
We all agree on the consensus that bicyclists
are using the road and should obey the rules of the road. The state house is taking up the idea
of requiring cyclists to register their cycles,
they should also add an addendum to require
cycle insurance as cars are mandated to have
auto insurance so that if there is a suit filed parties are all protected if there is a cycle/auto
accident.
I can't belive anyone would ever think this is a good idea. It's truely, STUPID!!!
What's the point of the "STOP" sign? The word "Stop" means just that! You need to stop and look to make sure it's safe to cross the Street/intersections. It's your responsibility!!!
If a cyclist rolls through a sign and a motorist hits them, guess who's fault they would say it was...the Motorist. This is a STUPID IDEA!!!
Should I tell my 5 year old son when he rides his bike that the "STOP" sign means... that he rolls through the sign even if a car is there. I think NOT!!! That's an accident waiting to happen!!!
Why should the cyclist get Special treatment? If you (the cyclist) are going to ride your bikes on the roads with the cars, you need to abide by the same laws as the rest of us! I don't like following a cyclist up the hills, they should abide by the delay of 5 vehicals!
I think this is the most ridiculous idea I've heard since allowing hand on cell phone use while driving. Just who would be liable if I killed or crippled other than the cyclist who went through a stop sign, me? I think the State should be liable for allowing such a stupid law!
Yes, and I think that cars, trucks, and buses should be allowed to blow though stop signs and lights whenever they want to as well. And since cyclists don't pay insurance, no one else should, either! Why should I pay hospitalization for some idiot cyclist that is too lazy to stop when every one else has to?
If cars were allowed to roll thru stop signs when 'safe', think of the gas saved by not having to accelerate from a dead stop.
At the same time we are saving bicyclists energy, how about we save some fossil fuels, and re-evaluate all stop signs, and consider changing them to yield signs. While we are at it, how about letting cars proceed from a stop light if there is no traffic coming. I'll bet we could cut fuel consumption by ten percent or more.
Bicyclists are not motorists. Every bike commuter has a very acute awareness of their vulnerability on the road. They're not texting with one hand, drinking coffee with the other, an d steering with their knees. The hysterical responses to this proposal are unfounded. If this has been working in Boise or 25 years why is Portland so different?
At first, I thought this was a horrible idea. Allowing cyclists to roll through stop signs allows foe less control of an intersection. Less control will lead to more accidents, so, bad idea. Then I realized that the key to this is the caveat that cyclists could roll through a stop sign IF the intersection is clear. This will place the responsibility of safe travel squarely upon the cyclists. It seems that if this bill becomes law it will imply that if a cyclist is struck anywhere in an intersection the cyclist will be entirely at fault. In a city where there are many "bad apple" aggressive cyclists who attempt to dominate roadways and intimidate drivers I think this might actually be a great idea.
Next they are going to blame motorists for causing more accidents. If they think a stop sign is overkill .. make it a yield sign.
Christopher ... in Europe many teenagers can start drinking at the age of 16 .. it doesn't cause much problems there .. why don't we allow it here either? Many bicyclists thinks they rule and own the road .. I have no problem with them as I use the bike myself quite often too .. but your stereotyping shows lack of intelligence here.
A STOP SIGN IS A STOP SIGN .. else turn it into a yield for everyone. You create more confusion everywhere if you create exceptions.
Lol...
Look, I'm a bicyclist, i'm on the road, so i'm following road rules! No, i'm a pedestrian now cuz I'm crossing the intersection crosswalk so you have to yield my right of way now! No, now i'm a bicyclist again cuz I just hopped back onto the road so now i'm obeying road rules again!
Oops, now I'm a pedestrian again because now I'm riding on the sidewalk again so i dont have to stop! Ooh, look I'm a bicyclist again so i can ride on the bike path side by side with my buddies! oops i need to cross the road, instead of using the left lane, i'll just be a pedestrian again and hop back onto the sidewalk and ride the pedestrian crossing without stopping like those cars do!
I guess thats why they call them Bi-cylists. they're both pedestrians and cyclists.
C...
I think the use of Boise's bicycle laws are a better comparison for Oregon's bicycle laws than Europes drinking laws, however much sense they make.
As for my unintelligent stereotyping of motorists I apologize, i was just trying to illustrate that bicyclists, by virtue of necessity, typically have far better situational awareness.
As for a STOP SIGN BEING A STOP SIGN, I just don't see this creating any confusion. The law changes nothing other than not requiring bicyclists to put their foot down. The right of way laws remain just as they were before.
I, too, am an avid cyclist and believe a law allowing this is akin so a death wish. At what point would a car have to yield to the bicyclist? When they're 20' away? 50'? 100'? Perhaps we should also allow cars to just roll through stop signs, lights, etc., to preserve fuel? Come on people, its simple to come to a stop and then start again, who are we trying to fool saying this is needed? When I ride, I obey traffic laws...
I know this will inflame the bicyclists who feel they are above the law..fire away!
I'm pretty sure that bicyclists required to abide by the same rules as any motor vehicle, (except the fact that you don't NEED to wear a helmet in your vehicle) ha ha. I think many people could agree that it is just as much an inconvenience to stop at an intersection for vehicles as it is for bicycles. I remember when my mom tried to have a law passed allowing skaters to skate on the street; regardless if you are skating or bicycling I think either done along the side of vehicles is dangerous. So, why remove laws that were put in place to privilege bicyclists as well as protect them?
I'm pretty sure that bicyclists required to abide by the same rules as any motor vehicle, (except the fact that you don't NEED to wear a helmet in your vehicle) ha ha. I think many people could agree that it is just as much an inconvenience to stop at an intersection for vehicles as it is for bicycles. I remember when my mom tried to have a law passed allowing skaters to skate on the street; regardless if you are skating or bicycling I think either done along the side of vehicles is dangerous. So, why remove laws that were put in place to privilege bicyclists as well as protect them?
Cyclists should not be able to roll through stop lights or signs. Only an elitist think that they are above the law. If cyclists would pool their funds and provide their own roads and paths then they could make their own rules. Everyone would be safer. It's unsafe to mix bicycles with cars and trucks to begin with.
Brad, read the proposal.
OH HELL NO. Bikes should have to stop at all lights and obey all traffic laws as do motor vehicals. Bikes should have to be licensed and registered and display a license plate on the front and back of there bikes. Bike riders should have to take a saftey class on the rules of the road and learn hands signals.
I work in public safety, and I see many bicyclists run stop signs on a regular basis. I rarely respond to car bicyclist collisions, so I think most on bikes would use reasonable caution like they do right now, so it's a good idea.
Unbelievable!
I rode bikes for decades until a health issue forced me to stop.
The current crop of bicylcists can only be described as anarchists.
Stop signs?
Run them!
Stay as far to the right as possible?
Oh, no, ride in the middle of the lane!
Don't want to wait for a red light?
Become a pedestrian, and zip through a crosswalk (even with "don't walk" signal and cars turning), and when YOU cut in front of a car, flip them off!
Brilliant idea!
Run into one of these stop-sign-running retards and some ambulance-chaser will make your life miserable!
I think that bike riders need to stop at lights. Bike riders should have to have a head light and a tail light. Bike riders should be held to all the rules of the road as others that use them. Bike riders should be made visible to camera's at the intersections as all others.Bike riders need to stay in there own lanes that were made for them and stay out of the way of automobiles. I have seen too many bike riders riding with no hands, come dashing out between parked cars and riding inbetween cars at lights. Like in down town Seattle you see bike carriers dashing out in all lanes,running lights and jumping on and off curbs. Bike riders need to have a license plate so that they can be turned in for riding illeaglly.
With all the new bike paths and trails bike riders need to take some kind of consideration that they dont own the road as they think they do. The law makers in Seattle have given bike riders to much leway and rights on the road. Riders should realize that people in cars are now talking on the phone and texting while driving as along with other distracttions. All its going to take is to have a eager bike rider that wants to beat the light and traffic and a driver who's talking on the phone and the out come will be very damaging for the bike rider, if not fatal.There are now bike paths in the road way and bike riders should stay in them and know what road to ride on and use common sense.
This is a terrible idea. If I'm too cautious to put my air-bag filled, steel-reinforced vehicle through a stop sign while stopping, why do many bicyclists who have no protection but a foam helmet think that it's alright to run through a stop sign or intersection?
I can't tell you how many times I've had to slam on the breaks to avoid killing a distracted bicyclist who completely ignores the rules of the road.
I understand that the bicyclists like to keep up momentum, but why does their convenience take priority over everyone else's safety?
Keep the law, and crack down on the bicyclists who continue to place themselves and everyone else in danger.
You're using a road created for motorists. If you can't follow the same rules they do, you'd better start taking the bus.
I ride a bike and disagree to allow bikes to roll thru stop signs. I want to live and have a happy life. I know that all it would take is to have a motorist hit me cause i wanna ride thru. I ride into down town every day and see bikers riding out of control and pushing there luck. I have even seen riders run lights in front of the police and nothing has been done. Just let a car run a red light and the police will be all over them like a wet rag. We as bike riders have to take some reasponsibility for our actions. The majority of riders out there on the road dont obey laws and should need to be fined and given a ticket.
Tom
What does your anecdote have to do with cyclists having to put their foot down or not?
I agree, lots of cyclists ride dangerously. It doesn't have anything to do with this proposal though.
Christhoper .. what is going to happen is that they will no longer stop for stop signs .. probably decide that they no longer need to slow down. I can see your point, but just think that for the sake of safety for all of us .. a stop sign is a stop sign .. regardless the transportation you use.
I don't always buy the idea that 'it works here so it works everywhere'
Jim Nasium-"There are now bike paths in the road way and bike riders should stay in them"
Bike paths can be very dangerous places for cyclists to ride, like 2nd Ave in Seattle, where it's safer to ride in the center of one of the main lanes than the bike lane because of people turning to/from one-way cross-streets. And if you're riding downhill, you can easy keep pace with the flow of traffic. Until you're on two wheels you don't really appreciate the situation of the cyclist in traffic.
Yes during a bike race when the intersections are blocked.
NO the rest of the time. I have been bike riding for the past 60 years including several years of bike racing.
We are sharing the road with other vehicles. We all must abide by the same rules. Keep life simple. Grow up and learn to abide by safe rules for your protection.
Starting and stopping is good exercise.
This law is probably proposed by the same people that want to be able to talk on the cell phone while driving.
Let’s spend our time solving the budget crisis instead of wasting our time on this trivial issue.
If its safe for bicycles to slow down and look, then its safe for motorists to! They should follow the rules of the road as drivers do and get tickets for the same offences we do!
Laws have to be made because people lack common sense. It is stupid to require a bike to stop at a completely empty intersection at 5 am. It is stupid to blow through an intersection without slowing down and looking during rush hour; stopping as necessity requires in order to avoid death or injury. Maybe they should require all people with an IQ below 140 to walk and not be allowed to drive any kind of vehicle at all from tricycles through motorized ones. I see people all the time believe that the largest vehicle has the greatest right of way. Hence, trucks can do as they please around cars, cars can do as they please around bikes. You just crush anyone smaller in your path. Most places have NO bike paths. Without the same rights as motorists, you have no right to tax bikes or require licenses of them. If you have no common sense, you won't live long on a bike.
This is a bad idea. I really think the police should spend more time giving tickets to cyclists who I see ignoring the rules of the road - its hard to know what to expect when you are driving wiht a cyclists nearby. I hate to think how we will define 'slow down' and who is going to be at fault when there is an accident.
The timing of this when our streets are getting more crowded is very bad.
Oh good, more roadkill. Maybe they'll kill each other off when they collide at an intersection.
They are already too unpredictable. Just take a drive through NW Portland. They are all over the place.
What makes a bicyclists more able to see at an intersection than a vehicle?
A little common sense, please!
I think the new law will be just great as most bikes dont stop now.
I just want it known that if I happen to clip one of the non-stop bikers there should be a law that make it ok if I dont stop to help scrape their remains off the road
It's time to put a stop to cyclists (and I am one myself) thinking that they're above the law. Too many times I have seen the frustration that cyclists can cause law abiding motorists, giving us all a bad name. THE OBJECT of riding a bicycle is fitness. This idea is dangerous, stupid and will benefit only lazy cyclists. I truly believe that bicycles should be licensed, as well as the riders and should require insurance for ALL Cyclists of ALL ages. Many of my fellow cyclists already believe that they're immune to the law. They should be required to take a class (much like drivers ed) AND they should be ticketed for disobeying the laws of the road, just like the others who share the roads and sidewalks, drivers and pedestrians, alike. Revenues raised from this should be applied to maintaining the roads cyclists use, the bike trails and etc. They need to pay their way, too! We are talking about "Equality Under The Law" here!
If you want more cyclist's killed and injured, sure let them blow the stop sign. How on earth are cars and other vehicles supposed to stop in time for a fragile little bicycle whizzing through intersections without a care in the world?!?!?! this is just dumb.
Another great Oregonian idear, I can see the painful days of roadrash - almost reminiscent of those cancerous skin lesions on sea lions in Oregon river water...
Doesn't impact me directly in West Seattle, but I do have an opinion as a frequent bicycle rider. I have to concur with comments by other bikers: it would be hypocrisy to say we can do a rolling stop but cars cannot. Yes it's annoying at times, but intersections can be changed. Besides, the tendency is not to ticket rolling stops for cars, so similar enforcement on bikes makes sense. Flagrant traffic violations of traffic laws by bikers or cars (i.e. running red light, blowing through a stop sign) should be ticketed aggressively.
This idea is Stupid. It would only legalize a dangerous behavior by some cyclists. I do ride a bicycle occasionally with my teenage children, as well as riding a motorcycle, and driving a car. So I have current experience with all types of transportation devices that must share the road.
I taught my children how to safely ride a bicycle in traffic, obeying all traffic laws related to bicycles. They always wear helmets, ride with traffic, and stop at stop signs. They also walk their bicycles thru cross walks ( not riding them ), they also don’t ride on sidewalks.
There are bicycle lanes on several of the main roads in my neighborhood. Frequently while out either in the evening, or early morning hours while it is dark, I have observed cyclists riding without lights or reflectors, riding against traffic, and ride thru intersections without even slowing down, even while there are vehicles waiting to proceed thru the intersection. Twice while riding my motorcycle, as I was making a left had turn into traffic, I have been struck by bicycles riding against traffic in a bicycle lane. They were riding in after dark, without lights or reflectors, and wearing dark clothing.
I think that legalizing a dangerous behavior, will only encourage them to engage in other dangerous, presently illegal behaviors while riding a bicycle. While I was learning to ride a motorcycle, they taught us to be aware of our surroundings, make ourselves visible, and behave as though no one sees us. A large number of cyclists behave as if they don’t care if they are seen, other vehicles have to look out for them, and try and anticipate what they might or might not do.
Most motorists when faced with a collision with a bicycle would swerve, possibly causing an accident with another vehicle; all the while the cyclist rides off without stopping. I have already made a conscience decision that, whether driving a car, or riding my motorcycle, if faced with a collision with a bicycle that I cannot avoid, without hitting a larger vehicle, I will chose to hit the cyclist.
well as a trial maybe we could try duct taping child molesters to bikes and shove em out into busy intersections and see what happens.
This would be ASKING for trouble!!! Would be dangerous and wrong on all levels! Let's think of the children out there on their bikes. Would you, as parents, like to receive that phone call?
I drive thru downtown Seattle every day to work and i must say those cyclist that wear their little ROAD RACING COSTUMES weave in and out of all lanes with any awareness that there are other BIGGER vehicals that use therse tightly congested roads. I drive a 4x4 that is lifted with 44 inch swampers and had to so many times get all over the brakes cause a wanna be TOUR DE FRANCE RIDERS or one of those BIKE CARRIERS comes darting out in between cars or riding like there racing each other with NO HAND SIGNALS or BLOW THE STOP LIGHT. Its like being camping and swating horse fly's. These LAW MAKERS as one can tell with there big fat belly's, necks as big as a side of BEEF that havent rode a bike in 20 years and sit behind there desk pushing there pen's and pencil's and drive there import cars should be ashamed of themself's. The majority of vehical's that you see on the streets of DOWNTOWN SEATTLE are IMPORTS and BIKES.This is what's wrong with AMERICA too many people driving IMPORT CARS and BIKES turning there heads at AMERICAN MADE PRODUCTS.Every time i see one of those little cracker box, gas sippers or those new SMART CARS I make sure that the driver of that STREET LEGAL GO-CART makes EYE CONTACT WITH ME AND I LAUGH MY ASS OF SHAKING MY HEAD.BE A TRUE AMERICAN AND BUY AMERICAN DRIVE AMERICAN.Im sure im going to get alot of negaitive reply's but all i can say is to YOU " BITE ME BIAITCH ". One BAD ASS FORD 4x4 thats MADE IN AMERICA.
Crazy...maybe said lawmaker should propose another bill outlawing bicycle lights and helmets, and make it mandatory to wear black clothes while riding at night. I say this since that already seems to be the case here in Seattle.
It should be interesting at a 4-way stop when a car does the same thing from the side.
Please people, stop with all the panic and 'doom and gloom'. This rule simply keeps cyclists from the unwanted prospect of a $200+ ticket if they do go through a stop sign without completely stopping. We do it all the time and guess what? We're not dropping like flies.
Cyclists have to deal with momentum and kinetic energy, especially getting up hills and on long trips. I personally ride 9 miles one way to get to work - that's a lot of pedaling! I don't stop at every stop sign, because I would never get to work if I had to put my foot down at each intersection with a stop. Even the cars I encounter don't stop fully - ever heard of a 'California stop'?
Cyclists DO observe the rules of the road, even if the road oftentimes is not designed to accomodate them at all. Remember that just because the road exists, doesn't mean that its cyclist friendly. Imagine if nearly every street for you was as convoluted and difficult to maneuver as the bus mall downtown? Drivers need to either make a place for bikes or stop bitching about bikes being in the way, period.
Folks need to stop acting like this is going to topple society - get a hobby, seriously! It has been thoroughly tested in a similar-sized market, and proven to be a sound decision. Deal.
Bad Ass Ford - you obviously do not live in Portland. This rule does not apply to Seattle, so if you're not in Portland or even in Oregon, please refrain from the 'meathead' comments. It doesn't pertain to you, so leave it alone.
Cyclists (myself included) have for too long followed traffic rules only convenient to them. You often see them riding side by side on shoulder of a skinny road, or shooting from the road to the side walk to cross with the walk sign instead of waiting for the light. I wish the police department would start ticketing bikers the same way they ticket drivers.
BOO WHOO you cry baby bike riders. Just cause you ride a bike and think your doing the community a great deal by not driving your import car and wearing your little tight fitting jazzercize out fit gives you the excuse well if i stop then i have to build up my momentum and it will take me awhile to get going again, SO WHAT. I see bike riders all the time riding on the sidewalk and dart out in traffic against the dont walk sign to catch the green light. All its going to take is a bike rider to get hit and realize that they dont own the road. It doesnt make sense that the state builds miles and miles of bike paths so that bike riders get there punk ass out of the way of automobiles. Why should my tax dollars go for bike paths? The state should pass the cost to the purchase price of the bike. For example driving down to golden gardens from ballard, theres a bike path in front of the ballard locks on the other side of the sidewalk and a bike path in the street yet the majority of bikes ride in the street holding up traffic. The solution is really easy,like previous comments have been made, 1.Make bikes have to be licensed and registered. 2. Bikes should have to display a license plate on the front and back of there bikes so that they can be turned in for riding illegally. 3. Makes the fines count as a moving violation on your driving record. 4. Make bike riders pay a federal excise tax for road and bike path improvements. 5. Make bike riders wear a helmet and if caught riding with out a helmet the fine should be the same as a motorcyclist not wearing a helment along with eye protection. 6. Make bike riders go thru a course on basic hand signals and rules of the road. Im sure theres going to be alot of BOO WHOO CRY BABY BIKE RIDERS REPLYING AND WHINNING. And giving a lame excuse why they should be allowed to ride thru a stop sign. SO LETS HEAR'EM.
I don't understand why this is even being considered. Since when do cyclists have the right to blow by stop signs whenever they feel like it, yet motor vehicles don't? Why should cyclists get special treatment about not having to stop? The whole point is to enforce the right of way, and/or to make sure it's safe to go. If it's not, the one with the stop sign has to wait.
Let's use the same logic they are using here: If it's clear, why can't I a motor vehicle blow thru a stop sign if it's clear? Why do I have to stop, but a cyclist doesn't? This is the kind of stupid logic (or lack thereof) which causes all kinds of confusion. And what are we teaching our kids??
Let's be consistent for everyone's sake. Let's not start giving different laws to different kinds of vehicles on the road. We should all be obeying the same traffic laws. Otherwise ... what's the point ?? We end up with chaos and doing whatever we feel like, and getting people injured or killed. That's just plain stupid .....
If this idea become the law of the liberal Oregon, just remember to make sure the bicycle hits your vehicle behind the front wheel. That way you get a some body work, new paint and maybe a new windshield. The only problem is the bicycle riders have no liability insurance.
Very good idea!! Front wheels of bicycles are less than a meter ahead of the rider's eyes. Front bumpers of cars are two or three meters ahead of the driver's eyes with blind spots from the windshield pillars. Cars, motorcycles and pedestrians accelerate faster from a dead stop so give cyclists this small break.
toolatesmart: That is some dumb reasoning. The front end of my 34'motorhome is less than a meter in front of my eyes. Do I get to roll through intersections without stopping? Cars, motorcycles and pedestrians accelerate faster from a dead stop, so give motorhomes this small break.
The state legislature must take up the issue
of requiring cyclists to have "Extended Cycle
Insurance" added to their auto insurance policies.
If they carry no auto then mandate a special
policy, as motorcycles need, to cover them
in case of an accident.