Are the time and resources the State of Oregon is spending on the deer worth it, or should the state just let the deer live with the Molalla family?
14 Comments
Saera said:
I fully feel the deer should be left with the family that took the time and spent the money to rehabilitate the diabled deer instead of wasting state resources. The family wants to continue to be the caretakers of this deer which over time became a loved part of the family, why not let them? It's obvious the deer is incapable of surviving on it's own, would have died had the family not picked it up and gave it the necessary veterenary treatment and one on one care. What harm is there in letting it live where it is wanted, where it is comfortable, and where it will be well loved and cared for?
Heather said:
I say stop wasting state resources on an animal that already has a good home.
Catherine Campbell said:
Love is the best healer, and this family has provided Snowball with love and healing. The bond between humans and animals is critical to the survival of both. Why institutionalize one who has been blessed with a loving home? Give Snowball back to the hands in which God placed him.
erv said:
maybe when that rabbi gets a break from arguing with sea tac over the holiday decorations he can chime in and help decide if this is a religious home and if it is how can snowball be released to one religion and why arent all religions included in the raising of this deer?
shouldnt the state require this deer have kosher? where are the vegetarians on this issue? who is going to make sure that deer dont get fries cooked in animal fat? by golly if somebody doesnt sue im gonna!!
pat olson said:
Hey let the people have the deer I have seen hundredes of deer in the wild and never one with white on it must be half goat?
JonBoy said:
The deer should be taken from the people that decided to ignore the law and take it in. If it is not, then the state is allowing precedent to be established that will allow anyone who wants to take in wildlife to do so with impunity.
One lawyer made a statement that the deer should be returned to its previous owners, i.e., the family. The family never did own the deer. They took it from its owners, the state and its citizens, and kept it in their personal possession in violation of the law.
IMHO, those who feel that this behavior should be ignored, even rewarded, are not thinking beyond the present pull of their emotions, and are not considering the damage and long-term ramifications of allowing this kind of behavior to become the norm.
Taking in animals is harmful to them in almost every case, and there is a lot of potential future damage to be done if this precedent is allowed. Courts of law look to previous rulings as legal precedent for their own decisions, and this will stand as precedent.
The question now is whether the state has the right to enforce the law concerning personal retention of wildlife if the state options not to file criminal charges. Let's not force the state to file criminal charges in the future in order to be able to take away a captured small animal from some kid.
Caring for creatures is a noble and good thing, but sometimes tough love is required in order to fulfill the greater good. Let's not gut or neutralize a good law for the sake of one feel-good decision.
Cliff said:
Illegal hunters abound, poaching of deer, bear, cougars, etc. is rampant, but Oregon game officers and bureaucrats have time and 10's of thousands of taxpayer $ to spend on Snowball The Tame Deer. Worse yet, Oregon AG Hardy Meyers
is now trying to overturn a judge's decision that
would return Snowball to the family that saved it from certain death!
Amazing. Meyers is the least effective AG I've seen in 40+ years in Oregon. Way to go Hardy!!!
All in all, a truly disgraceful episode for the family and people of good will here in Oregon.
Ed Shadle said:
Should Snowball spend the rest of his/her life in the zoo? Should Snowball be turned back to the wild to figure out how to not get eaten by some other animal or shot by a hunter? Should Snowball go back to a home that will care for it, feed it and love it? It appears that the AG of Oregon wants it to be one of the first two choices. Maybe he is planning going hunting this year and Snowball would be a great trophy for him. He could tan Snowballs hide and hang it on his wall as a trophy. I think the AG has a power problem going on his mind and needs to demonstate just how much authority he has.
nevertooamazed said:
This is bureaucracy at its worse... As an Oregon resident, I am absolutely incensed over this waste of our money, especially at a time when the Oregon Fish and Game Department is whining that they are short of enough funds to "operate efficiently"...oops, that's an oxymoron...let's say "operate within reasonable effectiveness." This Snowball controversy is definitely a power struggle and clearly shows the inability of the state (Oregon) Powers-That-Be to think outside the box. This "wild" animal was saved from certain death by the family. The STATE does not own the deer...WE, the residents of Oregon, own that deer and I, for one, say give her back to her loving, caring family!
Shaggy said:
Amazing. This is how the wonderfully liberal state of Oregon repays an act of compassion for an animal.
Makes me proud NOT to be an Oregon taxpayer.
Next they're going to go after little kids that catch frogs and keep them in aquariums.
Get a grip Oregon. Next election, vote the morons doing this *OUT*. It's ~YOUR~ money they're spending to do this.
iwillbecauseiam said:
HARDY MYERS WANTS SNOWBALL FOR HIMSELF!
LEAVE SNOWBALL ALONE!
Angie said:
Meyers is on a personal power trip at this point. He's reached the top of the stupid statement scale by saying that if Snowball goes back to the Molalla family alot of people in Oregon will think its ok to go out to the woods and bring home a black tailed deer. Please Meyers, did you forget to take your B vitamins? Your brain is moosh. Retire and let someone who can do the job objectively take over. Stop putting this family thru hell and let us all get on with our lives.
Jo said:
This was writen by my Boyfriend who is stationed in Iraq....
i just want to take a moment to comment how relieved i am that snowball the deer was returned to its family. In between kicking iraqi children, and opressing the clearly innocent iraq local citizens, most of us have been following the Snowball the deer story and battle very closely. When we heard that Snowball the deer was captured by the evil government empire who is hell bent on causing war and raising taxes (and rumors of cutting health care!! *eeekkk*), we all over here in Iraq were very worried. After all, Princess Snowball knew the location of the seceret rebel alliance base. However, once the rebels obtained the plans of the local Clackmas Death Star where Snowball was being imprisioned (cell block D "royal prisoners ward"), an all out attack could be launched to rescue Princess Snowball before the evil government empire could do unspeakable horror to the Princess. That horror being something so evil its hard to say or type it. But being a brave soldier i am, i will say it. The empire was actually going to release Snowball into the wild!! (Lord forgive me for saying that.) And we all know wild animals do not belong in the wild, they need to be under our care and protection. So with the Clackmas Death Star plans in hand, and led by Judge Eve Miller with the newest x-wing fighters, the empire had not a chance in hippi hell of keeping the beloved Snowball.
Thanks for listening!!!!
Cebrina said:
I think we should let the deer alone and let them live in there original habitate they will be more happyer and be more freely.
I fully feel the deer should be left with the family that took the time and spent the money to rehabilitate the diabled deer instead of wasting state resources. The family wants to continue to be the caretakers of this deer which over time became a loved part of the family, why not let them? It's obvious the deer is incapable of surviving on it's own, would have died had the family not picked it up and gave it the necessary veterenary treatment and one on one care. What harm is there in letting it live where it is wanted, where it is comfortable, and where it will be well loved and cared for?
I say stop wasting state resources on an animal that already has a good home.
Love is the best healer, and this family has provided Snowball with love and healing. The bond between humans and animals is critical to the survival of both. Why institutionalize one who has been blessed with a loving home? Give Snowball back to the hands in which God placed him.
maybe when that rabbi gets a break from arguing with sea tac over the holiday decorations he can chime in and help decide if this is a religious home and if it is how can snowball be released to one religion and why arent all religions included in the raising of this deer?
shouldnt the state require this deer have kosher? where are the vegetarians on this issue? who is going to make sure that deer dont get fries cooked in animal fat? by golly if somebody doesnt sue im gonna!!
Hey let the people have the deer I have seen hundredes of deer in the wild and never one with white on it must be half goat?
The deer should be taken from the people that decided to ignore the law and take it in. If it is not, then the state is allowing precedent to be established that will allow anyone who wants to take in wildlife to do so with impunity.
One lawyer made a statement that the deer should be returned to its previous owners, i.e., the family. The family never did own the deer. They took it from its owners, the state and its citizens, and kept it in their personal possession in violation of the law.
IMHO, those who feel that this behavior should be ignored, even rewarded, are not thinking beyond the present pull of their emotions, and are not considering the damage and long-term ramifications of allowing this kind of behavior to become the norm.
Taking in animals is harmful to them in almost every case, and there is a lot of potential future damage to be done if this precedent is allowed. Courts of law look to previous rulings as legal precedent for their own decisions, and this will stand as precedent.
The question now is whether the state has the right to enforce the law concerning personal retention of wildlife if the state options not to file criminal charges. Let's not force the state to file criminal charges in the future in order to be able to take away a captured small animal from some kid.
Caring for creatures is a noble and good thing, but sometimes tough love is required in order to fulfill the greater good. Let's not gut or neutralize a good law for the sake of one feel-good decision.
Illegal hunters abound, poaching of deer, bear, cougars, etc. is rampant, but Oregon game officers and bureaucrats have time and 10's of thousands of taxpayer $ to spend on Snowball The Tame Deer. Worse yet, Oregon AG Hardy Meyers
is now trying to overturn a judge's decision that
would return Snowball to the family that saved it from certain death!
Amazing. Meyers is the least effective AG I've seen in 40+ years in Oregon. Way to go Hardy!!!
All in all, a truly disgraceful episode for the family and people of good will here in Oregon.
Should Snowball spend the rest of his/her life in the zoo? Should Snowball be turned back to the wild to figure out how to not get eaten by some other animal or shot by a hunter? Should Snowball go back to a home that will care for it, feed it and love it? It appears that the AG of Oregon wants it to be one of the first two choices. Maybe he is planning going hunting this year and Snowball would be a great trophy for him. He could tan Snowballs hide and hang it on his wall as a trophy. I think the AG has a power problem going on his mind and needs to demonstate just how much authority he has.
This is bureaucracy at its worse... As an Oregon resident, I am absolutely incensed over this waste of our money, especially at a time when the Oregon Fish and Game Department is whining that they are short of enough funds to "operate efficiently"...oops, that's an oxymoron...let's say "operate within reasonable effectiveness." This Snowball controversy is definitely a power struggle and clearly shows the inability of the state (Oregon) Powers-That-Be to think outside the box. This "wild" animal was saved from certain death by the family. The STATE does not own the deer...WE, the residents of Oregon, own that deer and I, for one, say give her back to her loving, caring family!
Amazing. This is how the wonderfully liberal state of Oregon repays an act of compassion for an animal.
Makes me proud NOT to be an Oregon taxpayer.
Next they're going to go after little kids that catch frogs and keep them in aquariums.
Get a grip Oregon. Next election, vote the morons doing this *OUT*. It's ~YOUR~ money they're spending to do this.
HARDY MYERS WANTS SNOWBALL FOR HIMSELF!
LEAVE SNOWBALL ALONE!
Meyers is on a personal power trip at this point. He's reached the top of the stupid statement scale by saying that if Snowball goes back to the Molalla family alot of people in Oregon will think its ok to go out to the woods and bring home a black tailed deer. Please Meyers, did you forget to take your B vitamins? Your brain is moosh. Retire and let someone who can do the job objectively take over. Stop putting this family thru hell and let us all get on with our lives.
This was writen by my Boyfriend who is stationed in Iraq....
i just want to take a moment to comment how relieved i am that snowball the deer was returned to its family. In between kicking iraqi children, and opressing the clearly innocent iraq local citizens, most of us have been following the Snowball the deer story and battle very closely. When we heard that Snowball the deer was captured by the evil government empire who is hell bent on causing war and raising taxes (and rumors of cutting health care!! *eeekkk*), we all over here in Iraq were very worried. After all, Princess Snowball knew the location of the seceret rebel alliance base. However, once the rebels obtained the plans of the local Clackmas Death Star where Snowball was being imprisioned (cell block D "royal prisoners ward"), an all out attack could be launched to rescue Princess Snowball before the evil government empire could do unspeakable horror to the Princess. That horror being something so evil its hard to say or type it. But being a brave soldier i am, i will say it. The empire was actually going to release Snowball into the wild!! (Lord forgive me for saying that.) And we all know wild animals do not belong in the wild, they need to be under our care and protection. So with the Clackmas Death Star plans in hand, and led by Judge Eve Miller with the newest x-wing fighters, the empire had not a chance in hippi hell of keeping the beloved Snowball.
Thanks for listening!!!!
I think we should let the deer alone and let them live in there original habitate they will be more happyer and be more freely.