Should the boss be able to fire you based on your on-line personal profile?
15 Comments
CHRIS said:
ALASKA AIRLINE LOST MY SUPPORT AND MY VACATION TICKETS
Body: IN MY OPINION ALASKA AIRLINE FIRED SEVERAL EMPLOYEE'S ...IN BAD CHOICE AND IN BAD MANNER SPECIALLY AROUND THE HOLIDAYS..
ADVERTISING THEY WERE EMPLOYEED BY ALASKA AIRLINES
WHY IS ALASKA AIRLINES SO ASHAMED TOO ALLOW PEOPLE-TOO- KNOW WHO WORKS FOR THEM ----
THEY SHOULD BE PROUD THAT THERE EMPLOYEE LIKE THERE JOBS SO WELL THEY LET US PEOPLE KNOW--
I WOULD NEVER TAKE ALASKA AIRLINES NOW KNOWING WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE IN CHARGE .
MY LOVE AND SUPPORT FOR ALL WHO LOST THERE JOBS...
PLEASE REPOST ........................................................
I WLL ALWAYS BOYCOTT ALASKA AIRLINE NOW
HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL
P.S. WHY ARE THEY SO ASHAMED OF PEOPLE KNOWING WHO WORKS FOR THEM ?
ITS SICKNING KNOWING THEY DONT CARE ABOUT PEOPLE OR EMPLOYEE AROUND THE HOLIDAYS .THANKS NWCN KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK YOURES AWESOME AND A HAPPY HOLIDAY TOO CHRIS DANIELS AND THE WHOLE TEAM.
Tim Hill said:
No, your personal profile is your expression of who your are and what you believe, and if that isn't covered by free speech, then I don't know what is. I can only think of two exceptions: when the information revealed has _direct_ impact on the suitability of that person for employment, or when the information _inaccurately_ defames the employer.
The Alaska spokesperson in your report stated that even mentioning that you were employed by Alaska on a personal profile was inappropriate. What? So I'm not allowed to answer the question "who do you work for?".
James Grow said:
Termination only makes sense if a policy was in place before the materials were posted. Expectation of "proper" behavior to me is not sufficient for termination. I personally think this lady and the others have a case and should file suit against the airline.
Dave said:
You have got to be kidding. Did someone just say lets throw away the conitition it dosen't mean anything anymore. Get a grip folks.
Anonymous said:
i can see where alaska wouldnt want drinking assoicated with thier airline. sometimes people get fired for attending certain political rallies or events. employers are now going to these sites to decide weather they hire someone or not. big brother just keeps getting bigger!
Jay said:
Employers love having control over every aspect of an employee's life. Unless it's criminal, let the diverse workforce express themselves in their own individual way, and not have to wear the company jumpsuit 24/7. Alaska Airlines is wrong and way over the top firing these employees. I will not be flying Alaska. I'll book all my flights through American Airlines, regardless of price difference. My advice to Alaska is to be an employer and not thought police.
Cly said:
I do not believe that an employer should have the right to even look at your profile. What you do outside of a job is your own personal business. I often dress as a "goth" and do some crazy things with my friends, but when it is needed, I can dress and act very professional. Work life and personal life should completely seperate and the ONLY time an employer should fire anyone due to their personal life is if it is illegal or somehow is against them. Say if I was working for the airline and I said that they sucked and I hated working there and on and on bad mouthing them. That is fine to fire someone. However, if someone said they enjoyed being spanked (as happened to a friend of mine) that is NOT an acceptable reason for firing someone! Just like we (should) have seperation of Church and State, we should also have seperation of work and play.
PS: Happy Holidays!
Bruce said:
That flight attendant needs to grow up. What is a supposed mature woman doing posting that stuff on a teeny-bopper website. The only negative on Alaska that can be seen is that they should have given her one warning. By putting such personal info on the internet she is opening herself up to extortion, at the very least, and that's not a good thing for a person with her job.
Art said:
Employers should not be looking at employees personal life. They should only look if the employee has a criminal record, or if the attitude/conduct at work is such that it warrants dismissal.
On the other hand employee's NEED to take some responsibility and NOT connect their work life with their private life! (IE tell no one about their lj/myspace/etc accounts)... I NEVER told my employer about my lj (i'm a member of quite a few adult communities), nor do i tell them about my myspace account (or any other accounts that i have online)... nor did i invite them to look at my porn collection.
Brittany said:
Absolutely not! It is an outrage that an employer would be allowed to even look at an employee's page and base business decisions relating to that employee, on any such info.
It is called FREEDOM OF SPEECH which is guaranteed by the FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION.
They seemed to have a fit regarding her being shown drinking with friends. EXCUSE ME?!? Drinking is legal in the United States for those at or above age 21. And in fact, many airlines (perhaps even Alaska? I have not flown them and now do not want to consider them...) SERVE alcoholic beverages on their flights. So how is that a problem?
Unless their online website is badmouthing the employer, there is no reasonable excuse for firing an employee for an employee's website. And in fact - less attention would have been put on this issue had they just spoken with the employee. Isn't this now negative publicity for the company?! And they likely will lose business because of this, if the comments posted thus far are any indication. I personally take news such as this into consideration, because I consider MY personal life to be just that - PERSONAL and not the business of the employer.
paul said:
As an employer you should have the right to investigate the character, and integrity of any current or prospective employee in any fashion that is legal and readily available. If an employee is foolish enough to put inappropriate materials on a public web site for people to view, then they shouldn't be surprised when the company they work for doesn't approve of the materials. Kudos to Alaskan airlines for upholding their standards. I'm more likely to fly their airline now because the have higher expectations of their employees.
Bradley said:
Blah Blah Blah...
Why is every body so uptight???
Honestly... we all know
"big brother" is watching...
I wonder what they plan on doing about the
tsa...
and the rival gang members they have handling passengers luggage...hmmm
Good Luck and God Bless
Ladies can always cash in their mile high club cards!
Charles said:
I am a big fan guarding the First and Fourth Amendments regarding to "Free Speach, and Right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects"- Yes, this means the Internet as well.
The employee in question is using the Web during companies time inappropriately, that's one thing; However, when it is during the employee's day-off, he or she may write any thing they want on-line so as long it doesn't violate statutes regarding slander and libable. And there is a redmidy for that-civil courts.
The question that should be asked; "Why the employer doing on the web spying on their employess- not attending to their business of operations?" It's not like a airlines may have secrect information regarding transporting the public unless they are performing short cuts the service of said public. I might just answerd my own guestion-employer maybe looking for "whistle Blowers" when they surch the web.
Charles,
NRA,Patron-Life,
Guarding Our Heritage!
David said:
What a crock! The only reasons for termination should be failure to perfom on the job, disrupting other workers' ability to perform, or cancellation of the position. What one does outside is personal and no business of the employer so long as at stays outside.
Jenny Basto said:
I think that rabbi was wrong,and one certain religion should not be pushed on the public. I think a law suit should be brought against him..for infringeing on our rights to enjoy a tree.
ALASKA AIRLINE LOST MY SUPPORT AND MY VACATION TICKETS
Body: IN MY OPINION ALASKA AIRLINE FIRED SEVERAL EMPLOYEE'S ...IN BAD CHOICE AND IN BAD MANNER SPECIALLY AROUND THE HOLIDAYS..
ADVERTISING THEY WERE EMPLOYEED BY ALASKA AIRLINES
WHY IS ALASKA AIRLINES SO ASHAMED TOO ALLOW PEOPLE-TOO- KNOW WHO WORKS FOR THEM ----
THEY SHOULD BE PROUD THAT THERE EMPLOYEE LIKE THERE JOBS SO WELL THEY LET US PEOPLE KNOW--
I WOULD NEVER TAKE ALASKA AIRLINES NOW KNOWING WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE IN CHARGE .
MY LOVE AND SUPPORT FOR ALL WHO LOST THERE JOBS...
PLEASE REPOST ........................................................
I WLL ALWAYS BOYCOTT ALASKA AIRLINE NOW
HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL
P.S. WHY ARE THEY SO ASHAMED OF PEOPLE KNOWING WHO WORKS FOR THEM ?
ITS SICKNING KNOWING THEY DONT CARE ABOUT PEOPLE OR EMPLOYEE AROUND THE HOLIDAYS .THANKS NWCN KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK YOURES AWESOME AND A HAPPY HOLIDAY TOO CHRIS DANIELS AND THE WHOLE TEAM.
No, your personal profile is your expression of who your are and what you believe, and if that isn't covered by free speech, then I don't know what is. I can only think of two exceptions: when the information revealed has _direct_ impact on the suitability of that person for employment, or when the information _inaccurately_ defames the employer.
The Alaska spokesperson in your report stated that even mentioning that you were employed by Alaska on a personal profile was inappropriate. What? So I'm not allowed to answer the question "who do you work for?".
Termination only makes sense if a policy was in place before the materials were posted. Expectation of "proper" behavior to me is not sufficient for termination. I personally think this lady and the others have a case and should file suit against the airline.
You have got to be kidding. Did someone just say lets throw away the conitition it dosen't mean anything anymore. Get a grip folks.
i can see where alaska wouldnt want drinking assoicated with thier airline. sometimes people get fired for attending certain political rallies or events. employers are now going to these sites to decide weather they hire someone or not. big brother just keeps getting bigger!
Employers love having control over every aspect of an employee's life. Unless it's criminal, let the diverse workforce express themselves in their own individual way, and not have to wear the company jumpsuit 24/7. Alaska Airlines is wrong and way over the top firing these employees. I will not be flying Alaska. I'll book all my flights through American Airlines, regardless of price difference. My advice to Alaska is to be an employer and not thought police.
I do not believe that an employer should have the right to even look at your profile. What you do outside of a job is your own personal business. I often dress as a "goth" and do some crazy things with my friends, but when it is needed, I can dress and act very professional. Work life and personal life should completely seperate and the ONLY time an employer should fire anyone due to their personal life is if it is illegal or somehow is against them. Say if I was working for the airline and I said that they sucked and I hated working there and on and on bad mouthing them. That is fine to fire someone. However, if someone said they enjoyed being spanked (as happened to a friend of mine) that is NOT an acceptable reason for firing someone! Just like we (should) have seperation of Church and State, we should also have seperation of work and play.
PS: Happy Holidays!
That flight attendant needs to grow up. What is a supposed mature woman doing posting that stuff on a teeny-bopper website. The only negative on Alaska that can be seen is that they should have given her one warning. By putting such personal info on the internet she is opening herself up to extortion, at the very least, and that's not a good thing for a person with her job.
Employers should not be looking at employees personal life. They should only look if the employee has a criminal record, or if the attitude/conduct at work is such that it warrants dismissal.
On the other hand employee's NEED to take some responsibility and NOT connect their work life with their private life! (IE tell no one about their lj/myspace/etc accounts)... I NEVER told my employer about my lj (i'm a member of quite a few adult communities), nor do i tell them about my myspace account (or any other accounts that i have online)... nor did i invite them to look at my porn collection.
Absolutely not! It is an outrage that an employer would be allowed to even look at an employee's page and base business decisions relating to that employee, on any such info.
It is called FREEDOM OF SPEECH which is guaranteed by the FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION.
They seemed to have a fit regarding her being shown drinking with friends. EXCUSE ME?!? Drinking is legal in the United States for those at or above age 21. And in fact, many airlines (perhaps even Alaska? I have not flown them and now do not want to consider them...) SERVE alcoholic beverages on their flights. So how is that a problem?
Unless their online website is badmouthing the employer, there is no reasonable excuse for firing an employee for an employee's website. And in fact - less attention would have been put on this issue had they just spoken with the employee. Isn't this now negative publicity for the company?! And they likely will lose business because of this, if the comments posted thus far are any indication. I personally take news such as this into consideration, because I consider MY personal life to be just that - PERSONAL and not the business of the employer.
As an employer you should have the right to investigate the character, and integrity of any current or prospective employee in any fashion that is legal and readily available. If an employee is foolish enough to put inappropriate materials on a public web site for people to view, then they shouldn't be surprised when the company they work for doesn't approve of the materials. Kudos to Alaskan airlines for upholding their standards. I'm more likely to fly their airline now because the have higher expectations of their employees.
Blah Blah Blah...
Why is every body so uptight???
Honestly... we all know
"big brother" is watching...
I wonder what they plan on doing about the
tsa...
and the rival gang members they have handling passengers luggage...hmmm
Good Luck and God Bless
Ladies can always cash in their mile high club cards!
I am a big fan guarding the First and Fourth Amendments regarding to "Free Speach, and Right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects"- Yes, this means the Internet as well.
The employee in question is using the Web during companies time inappropriately, that's one thing; However, when it is during the employee's day-off, he or she may write any thing they want on-line so as long it doesn't violate statutes regarding slander and libable. And there is a redmidy for that-civil courts.
The question that should be asked; "Why the employer doing on the web spying on their employess- not attending to their business of operations?" It's not like a airlines may have secrect information regarding transporting the public unless they are performing short cuts the service of said public. I might just answerd my own guestion-employer maybe looking for "whistle Blowers" when they surch the web.
Charles,
NRA,Patron-Life,
Guarding Our Heritage!
What a crock! The only reasons for termination should be failure to perfom on the job, disrupting other workers' ability to perform, or cancellation of the position. What one does outside is personal and no business of the employer so long as at stays outside.
I think that rabbi was wrong,and one certain religion should not be pushed on the public. I think a law suit should be brought against him..for infringeing on our rights to enjoy a tree.